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Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 57	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:38:00 - [1] - Quote Is it time to put our money where our mouths are? Reading thread after thread of this idea and that idea, the thought occurred - if CCP can't do everything players want them to do right now, why can't we give them that ability? Some may object that we already pay monthly subscriptions, and therefore shouldn't have to contribute any more. While I'd agree - but I'd also note that as a corporation, CCP's output is constrained by limited resources. Logic follows that by increasing their resources, we can increase their output. I'd bet that many of us wouldn't mind kicking in a few extra bucks if it meant getting a desired feature twice a fast. We live in an age where social media and micro-donations have the potential to amass substantial funding for minimal effort. Candidates could include new Clear Skies episodes (though not created by CCP), a feature length EVE movie based on the Cinematic Trailer, or something else. We're told that adding tessalation effects would require a whole year. What if we could speed that up? Anyone who's watched that trailer has probably seen top-rated comments such as "I"M THROWING MY MONEY AT THE SCREEN BUT NOTHING IS HAPPENING" - we're a passionate community with appeal that extends well beyond our current player-base. And ME3 generated $80,000 in a matter of weeks. Instead of watching those wallets bound off of computer monitors around the world, perhaps we should hold out a bucket? This phenomena has already pervaded the music industry, with fan-funded albums. Being a "community of firsts," I can't think of anywhere more appropriate to create the changes we seek, ourselves. Kickstarter, Fundly... the possibilities are endless. In this thread, please discuss ideas, suggestions for fundraising items, or reasons why this shouldn't be. With our numbers united, we quite literally have the power to realize almost anything we can imagine.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 57	Posted - 2012.04.09 21:44:00 - [2] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: Kickstarter? It seems like a lot of game companies are using that to get initial funding and to judge how popular an idea is. Indeed - kickstarter is used for a ton of projects these days, from game development to art galleries. It could be a perfect method to fund, say, a feature length EVE movie. My only qualm with them is the amount they shave off the top...
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 57	Posted - 2012.04.10 02:09:00 - [3] - Quote As always on the EVE forums, an impressive demonstration of logic, reading comprehension and constructive discourse. Let's simplify the question: If donating 5 of your dollars meant that in a few months we'd see a new, beautifully rendered, feature-length "Clear Skies 4," would you donate it?
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 57	Posted - 2012.04.10 03:40:00 - [4] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Let's have a cookie sale! Car wash? Meanwhile, somewhere in reality, a crappy band raises $10,000 to record a crappy album, and some other guys raise $9,000 to make clocks based on radial geometry. But I know it's much easier to post a brief, snarky comment on the EVE forums rather than actually comprehend what you're reading and reply. My apologies for disturbing your mining. While perhaps precarious to attempt accelerating feature development, it would almost certainly work for peripheral goals, such as a feature length movie, or Clear Skies 4 (which CCP has nothing to do with, anyway). This idea isn't about "paying Mazda for future cars." It's about making possible developments and content that we all want. As an aside, the general state of being on these forums is terrible. With the way many posters on here act, I wouldn't blame CCP, were they to ignore them.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 58	Posted - 2012.04.10 04:41:00 - [5] - Quote Pohbis wrote: Let's see them actually re-structure, re-align and succeed again; before we start throwing more money at them. I'd agree with you on that. If an organization is ineffective, it won't matter what amount of resources it has at its disposal. Panacani wrote: As long as I could direct the money I 'donate' to the projects I want to see completed, I would shovel money at them. I also agree, here. Fundraising campaigns such as Kickstarter require specific fundraising targets and a specific, pre-determined goal. In other words, we couldn't just raise money for CCP - we'd have to attempt to raise X number of dollars for the purpose of achieving Y goal. If the fundraising goal isn't met, then the campaign is nullified and everyone gets their money back. Re-framing the Question It's becoming clear that raising funding for the development of specific features is both undesirable and unfeasible. But what about 3rd party content like "Clear Skies" or a hardcopy printing run of the Chronicles, like Bluddwolf suggested? Table-top ship models? I think there are many opportunities to add depth to our game experience by filling in the gaps CCP has left open for us.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 62	Posted - 2012.04.10 05:11:00 - [6] - Quote Panacani wrote: Personally I'd rather be able to direct x money each billing cycle to x game system or feature which would be directly applied to the budget of said feature rather than a single-issue or short term 'fundraiser'. That definitely sounds like a great way to contribute to specific feature development. Maybe Kickstarter campaigns would be more appropriate for projects like Clear Skies 4 (which wouldn't go to CCP anyway). I've emailed both CCP and Kickstarter to see if their terms would permit this sort of 3rd party fundraising.. in the meantime, if people have ideas for possible campaign subjects (something specific that donations would be applied to) please share them here.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 63	Posted - 2012.04.10 05:40:00 - [7] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: You have the ability to give CCP as much money as you want, or anyone for that matter, without Kickstarter. Buy PLEX. You've missed the point.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 63	Posted - 2012.04.10 15:10:00 - [8] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: Nope, buy PLEX. /thread. No. Throwing money at a company is different from directing money at a specific goal. Also, http://archiwum.polygamia.pl/files/CCP_registration_2.pdf Learn something. Thanks, bye.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 64	Posted - 2012.04.10 15:54:00 - [9] - Quote Unfortunately CCPs shares aren't publicly traded, and even if they were, you'd really need a substantial amount of them to hold any sort of swaying power. But my post isn't about swaying CCP to do something I want them to. My post is about helping CCP create things which there's a market for. Whether the expected troglodytes on here agree or not, there are MANY people, players and non-players alike, who would love to see a feature length CGI film, among other things. They would love to be able to add to EVE's story and make an impact. This is a company which holds monthly surveys, who's employees shoot players on their off time, and which asks its convention audience whether or not they should go forward with a feature. If effective player-driven financing is possible anywhere, its here. The statement isn't' "Here's 100k, CCP, now go buff titans with it." The statement would be "Hey, we all like EVE so much that we collected 100k for you to produce the feature length film you wanted to make, but didn't have the resources for." I'm really beginning to question the average level of reading comprehension on these forums. Though the trolls find it all to easy to half-read a post and provide a snark, adolescent objection, they'd probably be among the first to grab their Doritos 'n' sour cream sammiches, waddle over to YouTube, and scratch their neckbeards critically through a 2 hour version of the cinematic trailer. Dont forget to wipe the dip from your shirt in between commenting on how much it sucks. Gorki Andropov wrote: Nvm, I don't normally read before poasting You're a pubbie, get out.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 66	Posted - 2012.04.10 18:05:00 - [10] - Quote Aidan Brooder wrote: And a bad idea to make CCP's development work for the game based on "Loooksie! We got 50K for developing XYZ! Lets get to it!" A fair point.. Even if we were to raise enough to hire a dev team (a few hundred thousand for a year?) the ramp-up and turnaround time would be very long. Focus more efficiently applied, I think, to peripheral projects

Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 66	Posted - 2012.04.11 04:57:00 - [11] - Quote Tippia wrote: Nah. Donating money to videogames is good. With a goal of $900k, they have raised nearly $3 million. To you naysayers, sorry - but it's hard not to imagine what CCP and 3rd parties could accomplish with funding of this magnitude.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 66	Posted - 2012.04.11 04:58:00 - [12] - Quote Nura Taron wrote: We're already paying a subscription. Read the thread please.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 67	Posted - 2012.04.12 05:36:00 - [13] - Quote Snowflake Tem wrote: BUT - I've a "professional" wariness for any suggestion coming from to Goons / Test / Reddit direction. I love you guys but you have keen skills at lifting the material burdens of the weak-minded. I'd have to insist on an upstanding community leader like Chribba being a trustee of any funds generated. I can understand the origin of your wariness; in fact, I believe a lot of the knee-jerk negative reactions in this thread stem from my alliance tag. But please do separate in-game ISK swindling (not even my cup of tea, personally) from real life goodwill.. this thread is about generating ideas and assessing willingness - and as I have a lot going on, I'm not even sure that I'd be able to organize it myself. Besides, with Kickstarter, you don't even get funds until goals are met - and in this case (as I indicated in my email to them) I wouldn't be the recipient. Otherwise, I do appreciate your cautious enthusiasm. Mathias Hex wrote: Corporations ONLY goal is to make money! Guess who controls that money, you got it the big man on the top floor. I disagree - not all corporations exist solely to make money. Were CCP a traditional, publicly traded company, I'd agree that profit maximization for shareholders would be the foremost goal. There are, however, many ways to maximize profit - including wholly committing to developing the best products in the present irregardless of cost, in the hope of future returns. Either way, its been shown time and time again that CCP is nothing, if not traditional. CEOs serve at the behest of the corporations Board of Directors. While its hard to make inferences about corporate governance within a company as remote and non-transparent as CCP (and from what I can tell its non-public with 3 or 4 major shareholders), CEOs generally DON'T have full reign over a company's assets, including cash, as they are provided oversight by the board of directors. At least, that's how its supposed to work - we all can cite examples of non-functioning boards. Florestan Bronstein wrote: such a scheme would skew CCP's incentives for using the subscriptions fees to develop features/content for EVE. Again - I think through consensus and for many reasons, we've abandoned the idea of pitching in money for features. Lets focus on some 3rd party content, such as films, episodes, or other immersion-enhancing creations that we could come up with. Ideas, anyone?
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 67	Posted - 2012.04.12 06:10:00 - [14] - Quote For the record, here's the request for information I just submitted using the petition system. Hopefully they can route it correctly; I've yet to receive a reply to my email. Quote: Hi, I've recently sent a mail to [email protected] about this matter, but have yet to see a response. I figured it wise to send an inquiry through the petition system as well. There has been some interest within the player community for the creation of a player-driven fundraising campaign. While I wouldn't make assumptions about CCP's balance sheet, additional funding from players (along with appropriate facilitation and guidance by CCP) could have the potential to create more content for our universe - whether in-game or out. And though I'm aware that this sort of effort is unorthodox, CCP and its community are also unorthodox. If the idea has value anywhere, it would be here. I'd imagine that the effort alone has marketing value. At this exploratory stage, I'd like to know a) whether CCP's corporate policies allow goodwill receipt of funds beyond subscription fees, and b) if there are any particular efforts that you could suggest we, the community, apply our effort towards. Thus far, reactions on the EVE Forums have suggested that attempting to help accelerate game development could be ineffective. There are, however, many other ways to enrich the EVE experience. A hard copy of the Chronicles, or a feature length web film based on the recent theatrical trailer are a couple examples. I eagerly await your response. Sincerely, [my name]
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 68	Posted - 2012.04.12 19:29:00 - [15] - Quote 30 PLEX sent. To Dovi, of course.
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 77	Posted - 2012.04.21 18:28:00 - [16] - Quote Quote: Hello, Thank you for contacting the EVE Online community team and apologies for a very late reply. This question involves multiple parties, so my colleagues are currently looking into getting an answer for you. I will let you know as soon as I hear back from them. Best regards, CCP Spitfire Russian Community Coordinator EVE Online CCP
Daneirkus Auralex The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore 77	Posted - 2012.04.22 00:19:00 - [17] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: This thread is the worst I have ever posted in. I'll take that as a compliment.

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